MicaSim meeting 20090326

[6:56] Paradox Olbers: hi Prosp!

[6:56] Prospero Frobozz: Hey

[6:57] So Kuu: Hey

[6:57] Pema Pera is Online

[6:58] So Kuu: Hi Piet

[6:58] Pema Pera: Hi So, Pros, Para!

[6:58] Paradox Olbers: hi :)

[6:58] Prospero Frobozz: howdy

[6:58] Caledonia Heron is Online

[6:59] Pema Pera: Hi Jeroen and Zee!

[6:59] Jeroen Artful: Hello

[6:59] Pema Pera: Jeroen, I assume you are Dutch?

[6:59] Zee Plutonian: Hi Pema

[6:59] Pema Pera: (given your first name)

[6:59] Jeroen Artful: Yes

[7:00] Pema Pera: ik ben Piet Hut, zit jij in Simon's groep in Amsterdam misschien?

[7:00] Jeroen Artful: Ja klopt inderdaad :)

[7:00] Pema Pera: Thanks, Paradox, for sending out those notices!

[7:01] Pema Pera: en wie ben je, in RL?

[7:01] Paradox Olbers: np :)

[7:02] Pema Pera: Shall we get started?

[7:03] Pema Pera: Jun Makino told me he can't come today, and same for Will Farr

[7:03] Pema Pera: As for me, unfortunately I will have to leave to another SL meeting in half an hour :(

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: So let's motor :)

[7:03] Pema Pera: which leads me to the question: would anybody object to shift the meeting back from 7 am to 6 am SLT, as we had it before?

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: That's fine for me

[7:04] Pema Pera: that would mean fewer time conflicts for me

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Wasn't the shift for the folks in Japan re: the US being out of whack from the rest of the world for DST?

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: When does Japan do DST?

[7:04] Paradox Olbers: fine

[7:04] Pema Pera: and also I will be in Japan soon again, and 6 am is 10 pm

[7:04] Pema Pera: while 7 am is 11 pm

[7:04] Pema Pera: so 6 am is a lot better there

[7:04] Pema Pera: Japan has no DST

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: 6am is fine for me, and I don't believe we're getting anybody at 7am that we wouldn't get at 6am

[7:04] Pema Pera: they are far more reasonable :)

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Yes

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: This whole time change thing... d'oh

[7:05] Prospero Frobozz blames the ellipticity of the Earth's orbit, recommends we fix that

[7:05] Pema Pera: or spin up the Earth sufficiently to make it all a moot point!

[7:05] Prospero Frobozz: !

[7:05] Paradox Olbers: ..and the axial tilt, too!

[7:05] Pema Pera: :)

[7:06] Prospero Frobozz: OK, while we're at it, let's flatten ti, so we don't have time zones at all

[7:06] Pema Pera: So Paradox, you encountered problems posting the chat log?

[7:06] Prospero Frobozz wants to go back to a flat-earth Ptolemy model

[7:06] Paradox Olbers: yes, I did :(

[7:06] Prospero Frobozz: Paradox : what OS do you run on?

[7:07] Prospero Frobozz: If you send me an example chat log, I could probably write a quick bit of python or perl or some such to turn it into something MediaWiki will like

[7:07] Prospero Frobozz: ...if you're on an OS where that works. Dunno about Windows.

[7:07] Paradox Olbers: Posting my Int'l Spaceflight Museum logs, no problem, but MICA...

[7:07] Paradox Olbers: the underlying prob is that idont havwe MS Office

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz: Hmm

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz: Not sure that's really the problem :)

[7:08] Paradox Olbers: i use Windoze XP

[7:08] So Kuu: sorry was afk, that time shift is good

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz: Paradox : do you have the ability to run python on your system?

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz: If so, you could export the OOo document as plain text, and I could give you a python script that would turn it into somethign you could then just stick on the wiki.

[7:09] Paradox Olbers: ok Prospero, i'll send u both a OpenOffice version, and a MS Notepad version

[7:09] Paradox Olbers: ah, exporting as diff format - I'll try that too :)

[7:09] Pema Pera: Pros, did you get a chance to look at wiki templates?

[7:09] Prospero Frobozz: Les

[7:09] Prospero Frobozz: Yes

[7:09] Prospero Frobozz: Look at:

[7:09] Prospero Frobozz: http://www.micasim.org/index.php?title=LSL_3-Body

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: as an example

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: You'll see a small table in the upper-right

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: That's the template

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: You can get that to appear just with the code at the top of the wiki page:

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz:

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: (Edit the page to see that.)

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: The source code for the template is in the wiki page Template:Project

[7:10] Paradox Olbers: Prospero, i believe i can run Python, since it's a feature in TrueSpace 7.5 3D program, which i have

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: So, for each page, if we put  at the top of the page, it will put in a table like taht

[7:11] Prospero Frobozz: Some parameters do need to be defined on the Template:Project page

[7:11] Prospero Frobozz: e.g. the home wiki page for a given project, and the project lead for a given project

[7:11] Paradox Olbers: [autosaving this chat session]

[7:12] Pema Pera: wonderful, Pros, thanks a lot -- that's a great functionality to have!

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: Also, you will note on that page that I've *started* getting the LSL scripts documented

[7:12] Paradox Olbers: I stumbled around in help, but no results :)

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: The scripts themselves are online now there under "All Scripts"

[7:12] Pema Pera: yes, very nice indeed!

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: There isn't much documentatino yet.

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: documentatino is the supersymmetric partner of documentation

[7:12] Irah Anatine is Offline

[7:12] Paradox Olbers: <== eager but clueless

[7:12] Pema Pera: I like these tiny documentinos :-)

[7:13] Prospero Frobozz: So, as a standard, let's all put  at the top of each page

[7:13] Prospero Frobozz: Who's the project lead for the ACS import? Did we decide that?

[7:13] Prospero Frobozz: I put Adam down as the Project Lead for the OpenSim stuff

[7:13] Pema Pera: hmmm, something tells me that I will have to take that role, Pros :-)

[7:14] Prospero Frobozz: OK :)

[7:15] Harper Beresford is Online

[7:15] Pema Pera: So we navigate from the main page directly to these pages, which may be the quickest way to get there

[7:15] Korii Tiger is Online

[7:15] Prospero Frobozz: Yes -- the main page has a project list

[7:16] Pema Pera: though the main page would be less cluttered if we had an intermediate "project" page, always a trade off

[7:16] Prospero Frobozz: Who worked on the main page?

[7:16] Pema Pera: let me see, I emailed something about that a couple weeks ago

[7:16] Prospero Frobozz: When you say an intermediate "project" page, you mean one that has a list of projects?

[7:16] Pema Pera: yes

[7:16] Prospero Frobozz: That is, somebody added a project list to the main page

[7:16] Paradox Olbers: I added a chatlog pages link from N-body main page....feel free to mod

[7:16] Prospero Frobozz: Will Farr did

[7:16] Pema Pera: and probably most of the information that is currently on the main page should go to "background" or something

[7:17] Prospero Frobozz: Yes

[7:17] Prospero Frobozz: Or, some to the "background" page, some to a "general references" page

[7:17] Pema Pera: yes, with also a note of the name of the person who provided that information

[7:18] Prospero Frobozz can put pictures of his cats on the wiki any time y'all want

[7:18] So Kuu: You can see who added content by going into the history

[7:19] Prospero Frobozz: marube : your mic is open, and we hear you clicking :)

[7:19] Pema Pera: Hi Dali, and hi Marube!

[7:19] marube Oh: sorry.

[7:19] marube Oh: i trun off it

[7:19] Pema Pera: welcome to MICA, Marube!

[7:19] marube Oh: turn off

[7:19] Prospero Frobozz: So, my plan over the next $time_period is to get the LSL 3-body page more fleshed out.

[7:19] marube Oh: hi pema

[7:19] Prospero Frobozz: The scripts are there, but of course I want to write up documentation and thought about it

[7:20] Techplex Engineer is Offline

[7:20] Prospero Frobozz: AFter that, i'll write a simple N-body code (for small N) in VPython :)

[7:20] Pema Pera: wonderful, Pros!

[7:20] Prospero Frobozz: Somewhere down on the list is solving world hunger, the energy crisis, and global warming.

[7:20] Prospero Frobozz: Hope I figure those out

[7:20] Pema Pera: So, I looked at the history, and saw that most of the background material has been written by "Carlodn"

[7:21] Pema Pera: hehehe, Pros

[7:21] Pema Pera: how do we find out how to contact Carlodn?

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: Is Carlodn the guy you emailed us about?

[7:21] Pema Pera: yes, I can dig through my email

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: His user page is empty, but adam shoudl have an email address for Carlodn

[7:21] Pema Pera: but in general, I wonder how to find out

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: we register one when registering for the wiki

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: I would suggest that we all add a wee bit of information to our user pages :)

[7:22] So Kuu: Let me see

[7:22] Pema Pera: good idea!

[7:22] Pema Pera: how do we find all user pages?

[7:23] Pema Pera: I guess the quickest is to click on names in history log?

[7:23] Prospero Frobozz: That works for a given page

[7:23] Prospero Frobozz: But look at Special Pages on the links on the left

[7:23] Prospero Frobozz: Down a bit on there is User List

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: Some guy named Adjohn seems to claim to be the sysop... hmm, are we going to allow that?

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: http://www.micasim.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers

[7:24] Pema Pera: ah, okay :). "special pages" is a rather general name for that information

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: It's a general category :)

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: "Special pages" = pages generated by the wiki software, not by us

[7:25] Pema Pera: ah, okay!

[7:25] So Kuu: adjohn is me

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: So : I know :)

[7:25] So Kuu: haha

[7:25] So Kuu: ok

[7:27] Prospero Frobozz chuckles at Korii's group tag

[7:28] Pema Pera: okay, I added my information

[7:28] Irah Anatine is Online

[7:28] Prospero Frobozz is editing the front page as we speak

[7:29] Pema Pera: hi Korii!

[7:29] Paradox Olbers: Prospero, how can u laugh at Korii's banner when u yourself want to "rob Knop" :)

[7:29] Korii Tiger: Hi Pema..

[7:29] Korii Tiger: LOL

[7:29] Pema Pera: hehehe

[7:29] Korii Tiger: i change my title ..

[7:30] Pema Pera: Jeroen, would you like to introduce yourself?

[7:30] Pema Pera: Here we all share our Real Life names

[7:30] Prospero Frobozz: Paradox : heh

[7:30] Prospero Frobozz: Korii : I liked "Psycho Magnet" :)

[7:31] Pema Pera: You are from Simon Portegies's Amsterdam group, right?

[7:31] Korii Tiger: truth be told anyway

[7:31] Paradox Olbers: me too, Korii! :)

[7:31] Jeroen Artful: Ahh sorry, wasn't paying attention.

[7:31] Korii Tiger: i know Para i'm one of em!

[7:31] Korii Tiger: <--psycho

[7:32] Jeroen Artful: Yeah I'm new in Simon's group as Phd student as computational scientist doing research in the use of specialised hardware (like GPUs) for simulations.

[7:32] Prospero Frobozz: Glad to have you here!

[7:32] Pema Pera: yes, welcome Jeroen!

[7:32] Jeroen Artful: ty :)

[7:32] So Kuu: Welcome!

[7:33] Pema Pera: Do you know whether Simon is planning to come here too?

[7:33] Pema Pera: He keeps telling me he will, but. ..

[7:33] Jeroen Artful: Not today, think he went home already

[7:33] Prospero Frobozz: Heh... well, I kept saying I was going to put the LSL 3-body code on the Wiki, and I finally *did*, so....

[7:33] Pema Pera: And Dali, would you like to introduce yourself?

[7:34] Dali Waverider: sure. i'm new to SL this month. rank amateur astronomer. APL programmer.

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: Paradox : this page looks fine : http://www.micasim.org/index.php?title=MicaSim_meeting_20090319

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: Did you manually reformat?

[7:34] Pema Pera: welcome, Dali!

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: Dali : what is APL?

[7:35] Paradox Olbers: Prospero, yes it does - did u change anything?

[7:35] Prospero Frobozz: No -- I just went to look

[7:35] Paradox Olbers: huh! Ok...

[7:35] Dali Waverider: A Programming Language. A mathematical notation as well as an executable language. Speced in Iverson' (Turing Award) book of 1962. Used to spec the IBM 360.

[7:36] Pema Pera: (I played with APL on my first IBM PC in 1983 . . . . even had an overlay over my keyboard!)

[7:36] Prospero Frobozz: Oh! I guess I had heard of that APL :)

[7:36] Pema Pera: very compact notation :-)

[7:36] Prospero Frobozz has never used APL

[7:36] Pema Pera: sorry all, I have to run

[7:36] So Kuu also

[7:36] Pema Pera: see you next week!

[7:36] Pema Pera: so next week at 6 am SLT

[7:36] So Kuu: See you Piet

[7:36] Prospero Frobozz: Yes

[7:36] Pema Pera: I'll send a notice to the email group

[7:36] Pema Pera: and ah

[7:36] Pema Pera: Paradox

[7:37] Pema Pera: we should change it on the calendars too

[7:37] Prospero Frobozz: Yes, and MICA web page

[7:37] Pema Pera: both on MICA and Kira

[7:37] Paradox Olbers: No Prospero, i'd looked at the preview, tried both Notepad & OpenOffice, saw the page with no line breaks *after* publishing & saving...

[7:37] Pema Pera: thank you!

[7:37] Pema Pera: bfn

[7:37] Prospero Frobozz: Paradox : weird

[7:37] Prospero Frobozz: not sure what happened

[7:37] Paradox Olbers: ok Piet! See u :)

[7:38] Prospero Frobozz: does anybody else have anything they want to bring up?

[7:38] Prospero Frobozz: My goal for next week *will* be to better flesh out the 3-body lsl web page

[7:38] Paradox Olbers nods to Prosp - solves the problem for now though :)

[7:38] Prospero Frobozz: If nobody else has anything they want to talk about, I move we adjourn early

[7:38] Paradox Olbers: 2nd...

[7:38] Prospero Frobozz: all in favor say "eye"

[7:39] Prospero Frobozz: all opposed, neigh like a horse

[7:39] Korii Tiger: lol

[7:39] Paradox Olbers: [waiting for further discussion]

[7:39] Paradox Olbers: "I"

[7:39] Korii Tiger: aye

[7:39] Prospero Frobozz: I am Robert, I get to make the rules!

[7:39] Prospero Frobozz: OK, everybody sign up for when you are going to mow my lawn.

[7:39] Korii Tiger: dude

[7:39] Korii Tiger: i'll do it

[7:39] Korii Tiger: i sjut got a new tractor moewe

[7:39] Korii Tiger: NEW TOY!

[7:39] Prospero Frobozz: cool

[7:39] Prospero Frobozz: Do you race it?

[7:39] Dali Waverider: i-yi-yi

[7:40] Korii Tiger: uh

[7:40] Korii Tiger: it hasn't been turned on yet ^.^

[7:40] Prospero Frobozz: heh

[7:40] Korii Tiger: they jsut delived yesterday

[7:40] So Kuu: does it have a cup holder?

[7:40] Prospero Frobozz: Well, anyway, see y'all next week!

[7:40] So Kuu: seeya!

[7:40] marube Oh: ty..

[7:40] Paradox Olbers: bye all!

[7:40] Korii Tiger: bye Rob. see you around..

[7:40] marube Oh: i am from Kira Japan..

[7:40] marube Oh: see you

[7:40] So Kuu: Hi marube

[7:40] Prospero Frobozz: marube : nice to have you here!

[7:40] So Kuu: i'm from tokyo

[7:41] marube Oh: oh! you are from Tokyo?

[7:41] Prospero Frobozz is from nashville, TN, and he's not sure what part of Japan that is.

[7:41] Korii Tiger: LMAO

[7:41] So Kuu: こんばんは

[7:41] Prospero Frobozz disappears

[7:41] marube Oh: こんばんは

[7:41] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/StellaNova/35/127/21