MODEST meeting 2009-09-24

Introductions
Users of this wiki can be found on the Special:ListUsers page, although that's a bit raw. There is a new page, MODEST People in SL, where I've collected the information each person gave about his identity and affilliation.

MODEST Overview
Rob Knop gave an overview of the "new" MODEST workshops. He mentioned this wiki, and of course the workshops. He encouraged everybody to register for an account on this wiki. The goal is to be for both research and education. It will hopefully be a place where the group can keep poitners to all the things that everybody is doing, and/or a place to store information about what they're doing and to use as a collaboration site. Additionally, it has as a goal to be a place where new folks interested (including our own students) can go to figure out what's going on in MODEST, and to learn about N-body codes in general.

He mentioned that so far, the wiki is largely framework, although there is some concrete information on:
 * Moving Stars Around, the wiki conversion of the introductory chapters from Hut and Makino's the Art of Computational Sceince.
 * LSL 3-Body, a 3-body solver written entirely in LSL, Second Life's scripting language.
 * NewtonPlugin, the plugin for OpenSim that solves N-body gravitational problems inside the OpenSim server code (in place of a "game" physics engine). (Adam also mentioned that there is a project "micaimport" on the OpenSim g-forge site that takes external data and uses it to move objects around.  There are other projects along this line.)

MODEST meeting in Tokyo in early September
Piet Hut gave a brief description of his impressions from the MODEST meeting that was in Tokyo in early September, 2009. He says that most of the excitement came from the realization that independently a lot of activities are starting up now.


 * Arturo showed his visualizations, AstroSim for SL, and one for OpenSim. He says that AstroSim will be truly open source, soon.
 * Simon Portgeis Zwart got a large grant to pay for several programmers in Leiden; he wants to get MUSE (renamed AMUSE) up to professional strength.
 * Jun Makino and Piet Hut want to finish their Kali code next year; Piet will be visiting Jun for nine months.
 * Keigo Nitadori showed work related to new and better ways of treating perturbed few-body systems
 * Jun talked about GRAPE-DR and the future of GRAPEs
 * Steve McMillan talked about various Drexel initiatives, from Starlab and Basin to work on MUSE

Pema Pera: so the bottom line is that we have new activities in various places, which all can work together, and can be coordinated through these MICA meetings

Future Scheduling
Starting next week (September 30), meetings will be on Wendesdays at 6AM SLT.

Fluid Codes
Jason Maron (Corwin Taurus) talked about his high-order lagrangian fluid code. He referenced an old paper from 2001, that he says is really out of date; there will be a new paper in the next few months by him, Colin McNally, and Mordecai Mac Low. It solves the fluid as a continuum; designed to work within the MUSE framework. "Grid quality gradients in a particle code." He will give a MICA professional seminar about it at some point.

Peter Teuben (Peter28 Shostakovich) mentioned that Volker Springel gave a talk about his new hydro code a few months ago in Princeton. There is a paper on astro-ph about it, although apparently there's a v2 of the paper now. Peter says that "it's one of those jaw dropping codes if you see the animations".

Meeting Transcript
[7:03] Pema Pera: Pros, you will lead the discussion today, right? -- and shall we start with introductions?

[7:03] Carlo Freiman: I don't remember. How can I zoom on the screen?

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Let's stick in text chat for today, since some folks are having problems with voice

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Carlo : move your mouse pointer over it. Hold down Alt, then hold down the LMB.

[7:03] Pema Pera: also, text chat allows us to have a transcript

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Move the mouse around while keeping the button pressed

[7:03] Icarusfactor Scientist: I use snowglobe or emerald and the SLvoice program is separate program

[7:03] Pema Pera: not everybody can come every day

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: That'll zoom

[7:03] Carlo Freiman: Thank you :)

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Before we get started : lots of us know each other in real life, but don't know who the heck we are here.

[7:03] Pema Pera: so I think we should stick to text chat in future meetings too

[7:03] Icarusfactor Scientist: Derek:you will want to ckeck if the SLvoice is in the bin directory .. I think that is the location

[7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Two things on that

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: First : if you look at your profile (Edit menu, "Profile...")

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: You can put some information in the "1st life" tab.

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Assuming you want the world to know who you are, put your name and vital information in there.

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: That way, if one of the rest of us forget who is who, we can look at your profile and look at "1st life"

[7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Also, though, for now, let's go through the room and each say who we are so we know who is who

[7:04] Derek Shamrock: Sure.

[7:05] Pema Pera: I am Piet Hut, astrophysicist, from the Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton

[7:05] Prospero Frobozz: I'm Rob Knop, and at the moment, and for the next couple of months at least, I'm working full time on a contract basis on this MODEST stuff, hopefully coordinating this workshop and the Wiki, and trying to put together some of the N-body virtual worlds visualization things we've seen.

[7:05] Derek Shamrock: I am Derek Groen, PhD student in Leiden and about to show a demo in one hour ;).

[7:05] Pema Pera: where?

[7:06] Prospero Frobozz: I describe myself as an "itenerant astrophysicist and computer engineer" -- I was a prof of physics & astronomy in the past, and was also a Linden in the past.

[7:06] Makino Magic: I'm Jun Makino, frm National Astronomical Observatory of Japan

[7:06] Prospero Frobozz: Everybody else, feel free to jump in with your name and affiliation any time

[7:06] So Kuu: I'

[7:06] Ico Telling: I am Enrico Vesperini, Dept. of Physics Drexel University

[7:06] Pema Pera: (where, Derek, your demo? SL? RL?)

[7:06] Derek Shamrock: The demo will be given in Germany by Stefan, but we can all look at it through the web.

[7:06] Icarusfactor Scientist: I am a programmer, but interested in Astrophysics as a hobby.

[7:06] Derek Shamrock: http://doctor.strw.leidenuniv.nl/~derek

[7:07] So Kuu: I'm Adam Johnson, COO of Genkii. We do some work on OpenSim, and have done some early work on an nbody module for it.

[7:07] Derek Shamrock: I deliberately paused on step 2 for now :)

[7:07] Corwin Taurus: i am jason maron. American Museum of Natural History

[7:08] Lignum Gaines: I'm Stephen Justham, at the Kavli Institute for Astronomy and Astrophysics in Beijing

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz: Are you the Jason Maron that I knew at Caltech?

[7:08] Corwin Taurus: right

[7:08] Pema Pera: please say hi to Mike Shara from me, Jason!

[7:08] Corwin Taurus: sure!

[7:08] Prospero Frobozz met Mike Shara at a meeting of the SMARTS board

[7:08] Pema Pera: and we should get together for lunch some day soon

[7:09] Pema Pera: I live at 70th St and Columbus

[7:09] Pema Pera: ten minutes walking from AMNH

[7:09] Corwin Taurus: cool

[7:09] Prospero Frobozz: Does anybody else want to identify themselves?

[7:10] Corwin Taurus: jasonmaron@gmail.com

[7:10] Pema Pera: hehehe, different window, Corwin

[7:10] Pema Pera: but thanks, I

[7:10] Pema Pera: will contact you and Mike

[7:10] Prospero Frobozz: I want to point out the temporary location of the MODEST wiki -- it's on the screen at the front of the auditorium, http://www.rknop.net/modest

[7:10] Peter28 Shostakovich: Peter Teuben at U of Maryland

[7:11] Prospero Frobozz: Sometime int he next several weeks, it will move to a server at Steve McMillan's world.

[7:11] Prospero Frobozz: Piet : any news on whether we got the modest.org domain?

[7:11] Derek Shamrock: Btw. this is the meeting where Stefan has just presented and will present the demo in ~50 minutes: http://www.aip.de/AG2009/

[7:11] Pema Pera: not yet, Pros

[7:11] Pema Pera: they stay mum

[7:11] Prospero Frobozz: OK... probably we have to assume we won't get that.

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: Will Steve be out at the AMUSE workshop in Leiden?

[7:12] Pema Pera: I dont' know

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: OK. We'll have to put our heads together to figure out the right domain to use

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: So, for now, this is where the wiki lives

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: Take a look at it if you haven't already

[7:12] Prospero Frobozz: Register for an account on it if you want to be able to edit pages there.

[7:13] Prospero Frobozz: I will be putting the transcript of these meetings onlike there under the "Second Life Workshops" page. I'll also try to write a summary of salient points at the top of the transcript, so that one can get a sense of what happened without rereading the entire transcript.

[7:14] Prospero Frobozz: Piet, do you want to say some things about what happened at the MODEST workshop in Tokyo a few weeks ago? I assume *some* of the peopole here were there, but not all. Also, include an overview of the thinking that led turning this workshop into the main MODEST regular workshop

[7:14] Pema Pera: hmmmm, a lot happened

[7:14] Pema Pera: let's see

[7:15] Pema Pera: Arturo showed his visualizations, AstroSim, both for SL and OpenSim

[7:15] Pema Pera: Arturo also told us that AstroSim will truly be open source, very soon

[7:15] Pema Pera: so we can then put a copy on our wiki

[7:15] Pema Pera: or point from the wiki to it

[7:16] Prospero Frobozz: Good! i've been hoping to see that soon.

[7:16] Pema Pera: most of the excitement came from the realization that, independently, a LOT of activities are starting up now

[7:16] Pema Pera: let's see whether I can count:

[7:16] Pema Pera: 1) Simon got a large grant to pay for several programmers in Leiden, his new place in Holland

[7:17] Pema Pera: he will use the money to get MUSE up to professional strenght

[7:17] Pema Pera: (or AMUSE as it is temporarily called for political reasons it seems)

[7:18] Pema Pera: 2) Jun and I decided to finally try to finish our Kali code next year, while I will be visiting him for probably nine months

[7:18] Pema Pera: on a kind of sabbatical, starting in May 2010

[7:18] Pema Pera: the Kali code is the core of ACS, a new code for star cluster evolution

[7:19] Pema Pera: 3) related to that, Keigo Nitadori showed some very interesting work related to new and better ways of treating perturbed few-body systems, techniques that we will surely include in the Kali code

[7:19] Pema Pera: 4) Jun reported on progress on the GRAPE-DR and told us his thoughts about future GRAPEs

[7:20] Pema Pera: 5) Steve told about various Drexel initiatives, with Enrico and others there

[7:20] Pema Pera: from Starlab and Basin to work on MUSE

[7:21] Pema Pera: so the bottom line is that we have new activities in various places, which all can work together, and can be coordinated through these MICA meetings

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: How many of the principals, or representatives from same, of those various projects are here righ tnow?

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz sees Jun, Enrico who were mentioned... :)

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: Simon

[7:21] Prospero Frobozz: Simon is not here... hopefully I'll be able to help him get SL working when I'm out in Leiden

[7:21] Pema Pera: 6) Adam and Jeff from Genkii also show great interest to continue working with us, and hopefully we can find money for them too

[7:22] Derek Shamrock: Jeroen and I are around from Leiden though...

[7:23] Pema Pera: (Adam, So Kuu, was here, and his disappeared)

[7:23] So Kuu: Ah im here

[7:23] Prospero Frobozz: I want to encourage anybody here who has a MODEST related project to make use of the Wiki. If you register for an account there, you can create pages. On the front page, feel free to add more to the list of "MODEST Projects", and then create your own page from there and put in whatever you want. It may just be a link to your site, or you may want to use the wiki as a place to keep information and invite collaboration.

[7:24] Pema Pera: I also suggest that everybody here gets their own (small) home page, with info like SL name and contact information

[7:24] Pema Pera: Pros, perhaps you can set up a "people" page

[7:24] Pema Pera: with your own page under that, as an example

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: There is one -- when you register for an account, you get a "User" page

[7:24] Pema Pera: ah!

[7:24] Pema Pera: where can I see those?

[7:24] Prospero Frobozz: And, then folks can link to that.

[7:25] Derek Shamrock: Btw. here is a small impression I got from the workshop: http://ameblo.jp/tokyoachikoko/image-10339339012-10250409955.html

[7:25] Pema Pera: do we have to re-register after you move the wiki to Drexel?

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: http://www.rknop.net/modest/index.php/Special:ListUsers

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: No

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: When we move the wiki, I'll move the full database with it

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: So registering now is good

[7:25] Prospero Frobozz: Indeed, I moved the wiki from the host that Adam had it at previously, and all accounts moved with it

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: In any event, that User page is perhaps a bit raw, so I can make another page that indexes the most active people with brief information.

[7:26] Pema Pera: Great, so please, everyone:register today :)

[7:26] Carlo Freiman: I registered in the old wiki. Shall I register again. now?

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: But, put any critical information about yourself -- your name, your institution, your SL name, and your web home page -- on your user page

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: Carlo : if your egistered before, you still have an account

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: Carlodn

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: is your account there?

[7:26] Prospero Frobozz: If you forgot your password and the password e-mail recovery isn't working, let me know and I can reset it.

[7:27] Carlo Freiman: Yes. I'm not sure if I remember my password, though...

[7:27] Prospero Frobozz: Try to log in; there should be a link for emailing the password.

[7:27] Prospero Frobozz: Email me at rknop@pobox.com if that isn't working

[7:27] Carlo Freiman: OK. Thank you. :)

[7:27] Prospero Frobozz: the MODEST wiki is mostly "framework" right now, although I expect to keep adapting the framework so it continues to make sense as more real content goes there.

[7:27] Prospero Frobozz: Some of the things that are there now:

[7:28] Pema Pera: Just a reminder: from next week onwards, we will meet an hour and a day earlier: 6 am SLT on Wednesdays

[7:28] Prospero Frobozz: (1) "Moving Stars Around", the introductory chapters of ACS, has been converted into Wiki text, and is fully online there.

[7:28] Prospero Frobozz: We're still not sure if we're going to convert the rest of ACS.

[7:28] Prospero Frobozz: (Jun, will you be at the AMUSE workshop in Leiden?)

[7:29] Prospero Frobozz: The goal of the wiki is to be both research and education -- that is, a place where this group can keep pointers to all the things that the rest of us are doing, and/or have information about it directly on the wiki.

[7:29] Prospero Frobozz: Also, to have a place where new folks interested (including our own students) can go both to figure out what's up with this N-body stuff (e.g. "Moving Stars Around") and to see what's goign on in MODEST

[7:30] Makino Magic: AMUSE ? I do not remember, which probably means I'l noto

[7:30] Prospero Frobozz: (2) Another thing on the wiki that I mentioned on the mailing list is my LSL 3-body simulation demo. It's only 3-bodies, so it's hardly cutting edge science, and it's slow because it's a SL script, but I've written it up there. There is a demo running on this island.

[7:30] Icarusfactor Scientist: :D

[7:30] So Kuu: Has anyone tried this in Opensim yet by chance?

[7:31] Prospero Frobozz: (3) I've started to put some information online about the NewtonPlugin physics engine written by Adam, Jeff, and Will, and now hacked a little bit by me, which does N-body calculations as part of the OpenSim server code.

[7:31] Prospero Frobozz: Real-time visualization.

[7:31] Prospero Frobozz: (4) There are pointers to a couple of other projects we heard about at the "N-body workshops", as these were called last year.

[7:31] Prospero Frobozz: So : not to my knowledge.

[7:31] Prospero Frobozz: I haven't tried it myself. There's such a nicer solution (NewtonPlugin) in OpenSim :)

[7:32] Prospero Frobozz: I also want to mention the mailing list associated with this workshop : micasimulations@googlegroups.com

[7:33] Prospero Frobozz: http://groups.google.com/group/micasimulations

[7:33] Prospero Frobozz: You can request an invitation if you're not on the group yet, and I'll approve it.

[7:33] Prospero Frobozz: It's not a very high-traffic list at the moment. The most traffic was in the last few days as we tried to figure out the best time to hold these workshops!

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: As Piet mentioned, starting next week we're going to move to Wednesdays at 6AM. Wednesday is a result of Steve McMillan's teaching schedule, and 6AM is the "best imperfect compromise" between Europe, America, and Asia.

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: 6AM SLT, which is (currently) 13:00 UT

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: We'll keep a schedule of upcoming meetings on the wiki

[7:34] Prospero Frobozz: http://www.rknop.net/modest/index.php/Second_Life_Workshops

[7:35] Prospero Frobozz: One thing I would like to do in the coming weeks is have people here who have active MODEST-related projects going is to tell the rest of us about them. This can either be brief -- a few sentences outlining your current research directions -- or you can do a full-hour presentation if you have one ready and want to do that.

[7:35] Prospero Frobozz: The purpose of that would be so that everybody here can have a sense of what everybody else is working on, and where teh community is going.

[7:36] Prospero Frobozz: Ideally, as this workshop keeps meeting, every so often we'll do that so we all have a sense as to in which directions the winds are blowing.

[7:36] Corwin Taurus: can say something about the high-order lagrangian code

[7:37] Prospero Frobozz: Another thing I'd love to see is indications from anybody about ideas they have that they won't get to, collaboration partners they're looking for, opportunities for students to get involved, that sort of thing. All of that is very appropriate on the wiki, and is also good to share here.

[7:37] Prospero Frobozz: Corwin : sure -- you're up

[7:37] Corwin Taurus: particles, so adaptive in space and time

[7:38] Corwin Taurus: and lagrangian timesteps

[7:38] Corwin Taurus: fluid solved as a continuum, at fourth order

[7:39] Corwin Taurus: integrated with GADGET-2

[7:39] Corwin Taurus: replace the sph module with the continuum module

[7:40] Pema Pera: sure that would be interesting, though most of what we'll be working on here will be particle methods, and within that mostly stellar dynamics

[7:40] Prospero Frobozz: I'm ignorant myself, i have to admit : what's the context of this code?

[7:40] Corwin Taurus: validated for supersonic turbulence and magnetic fields

[7:40] Prospero Frobozz: That is, is this a code that you're working on, a code that is a "standard" package, or some such?

[7:41] Corwin Taurus: can work with any tree code

[7:42] Prospero Frobozz: (I'm a newcomer to the MODEST community, and was pulled in by my association with Piet here in MICA/SL ; I was an observer, part of the SCP when we discovered the acceleration of the Universe. I've also done observations of interacting and active galaxies. So, I don't have the "cultural background" of the N-body and related fields that many of the rest of you have.)

[7:42] Prospero Frobozz: (I hope to pick up that cultural background with time.)

[7:42] Corwin Taurus: input is the local neighbor list + gravity

[7:42] Prospero Frobozz: Corwin : is this written to work with the MUSE framework?

[7:43] Corwin Taurus: output is a lagrangian time derivative. structurally the same as sph

[7:44] Corwin Taurus: it's designed to. it operates on local information, provided by the tree code. the time update can be done outside the continuum module

[7:44] Prospero Frobozz: Are you the PI on this code?

[7:44] Corwin Taurus: the team is myself, mordecai and colin

[7:45] Prospero Frobozz: Do you guys have a website that has information about it and/or provides the code?

[7:45] Prospero Frobozz: Also, I don't know Mordecai and Colin :) What are their last names?

[7:45] Corwin Taurus: earlier there was a paper on "Gradient Particle Magnetohydrodynamics"

[7:46] Corwin Taurus: tho that's prehistory. much happened since

[7:46] Prospero Frobozz: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0107454

[7:46] Corwin Taurus: Mordecai Mac Low

[7:46] Prospero Frobozz: That Astro-ph paper is from 2001

[7:46] Corwin Taurus: Colin McNally

[7:46] Prospero Frobozz: (prehistory) :)

[7:47] Corwin Taurus: i wouldn't pay much attention to it. better paper about to appear

[7:49] Corwin Taurus: you could think of it as grid-quality gradients in a particle code

[7:49] Prospero Frobozz: Cool.

[7:49] Prospero Frobozz: When will the next paper be out?

[7:50] Corwin Taurus: before october 5

[7:50] Prospero Frobozz: OK -- you should come give a MICA professional seminar about that!

[7:50] Corwin Taurus: sure

[7:50] Ico Telling: Great Corwin I'll send you an e-mail to schedule your talk

[7:50] Prospero Frobozz: Also, if you have any information about it you want to put on the web, or if you have the code available, let's put links to it in the wiki

[7:51] Corwin Taurus: it also allows for a continuous treatment of gravity, so you don't need smoothing lengths

[7:52] Prospero Frobozz: In the last few minutes here -- I want to ask anybody who didnt' identify themselves (i.e. RL name and affiliation) before to do so now if they wish us to iknow who they are. I know some people have come in since we did that

[7:52] Pema Pera: I agree that it would be great to give a professional seminar about that, Corwin

[7:53] Finrod Meriman: I'm Mic Bowman... Intel & ScienceSim

[7:53] Pema Pera: you will reach more people there then

[7:53] Pema Pera: good seeing you again, Mic!

[7:53] Peter28 Shostakovich: Volker Springel gave a talk about his new hydro code a few months ago in Princeton

[7:53] Peter28 Shostakovich: it's independant of gadget-3

[7:53] Peter28 Shostakovich: and uses voronoi tesselations to make the grid adaptive

[7:54] Prospero Frobozz: Mic, Jeff, Adam : I know that *somebody* was working ona "data import" module for OpenSim, that would take N-body calculations from another process or machine and spew it to OpenSim for moving particles around for visualization. Was it one of the three of you?

[7:54] Peter28 Shostakovich: there's a lengthy paper on astroph back in Jan 2009 i believe

[7:54] So Kuu: Hey Mic, good to see you

[7:54] Finrod Meriman: The ExtSim work did that

[7:54] Prospero Frobozz: Do you have a link to information about it?

[7:54] Finrod Meriman: there are several other variants out there right now

[7:54] Finrod Meriman: StellarSim from UCI(?)

[7:55] Prospero Frobozz: Peter : is this Springel's paper? http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-data_query?bibcode=2009arXiv0901.4107S&db_key=PRE&link_type=ABSTRACT&high=49e3dc5aed02182

[7:55] Prospero Frobozz: oops

[7:55] Prospero Frobozz: http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.4107

[7:55] Prospero Frobozz: shorter link

[7:55] Peter28 Shostakovich: AREPO is the code

[7:56] Peter28 Shostakovich: 0901.4107

[7:56] Peter28 Shostakovich: yes, that should be the one

[7:56] Peter28 Shostakovich: there's a v2 of the paper now

[7:56] Peter28 Shostakovich: it's one of those jaw dropping codes if you see the animations

[7:57] Prospero Frobozz: We're coming up on the hour. Later today, I'll put a summary ("minutes") of this meeting online, as well as the full chat transcript

[7:57] Chillken Proto: Prospero: there is also a module on the OpenSim gforge called 'micaimport' that can do basic simulation data importing

[7:57] Prospero Frobozz: Everybody register an account on the wiki and sign up for the mailing list if you haven't already

[7:57] Prospero Frobozz: Chilken : ah! I will look for that one.

[7:58] Pema Pera: Thanks a lot, Pros, for all your work, and for chairing these meetings too!

[7:58] Prospero Frobozz: OK, well than you all for coming! And remember that next week we'll be meeting at 6AM SLT / 13:00 UT on Wednesday

[7:59] Prospero Frobozz: I'll email out what we'll be doing at the meeting to the micasimulations@googlegroups.com mailing list a few days before the meeting

[7:59] Derek Shamrock: No problem.

[7:59] Pema Pera: bye everybody, thanks for joining us!

[7:59] Derek Shamrock: I will start the demo in 0-15 minutes, but it can be viewed through the browser.

[7:59] Derek Shamrock: If people like to :)

[7:59] Prospero Frobozz: Derek : can you type the URL again?

[7:59] Derek Shamrock: Sure, it's at http://doctor.strw.leidenuniv.nl/~derek

[7:59] Prospero Frobozz: OK, thanks!

[7:59] Finrod Meriman: prospero: will transcripts of these meetings be posted?

[7:59] Prospero Frobozz: Finrod : yes

[7:59] Prospero Frobozz: they will be posted at :

[7:59] Derek Shamrock: I'm currently waiting for Stefan to finish his talk in Germany ;)

[8:00] Prospero Frobozz: http://www.rknop.net/modest/index.php/Second_Life_Workshops

[8:00] Finrod Meriman: thanks!

[8:00] Prospero Frobozz: Ok, see you all next week!

[8:00] Icarusfactor Scientist: Thanks

[8:00] Makino Magic: Bye!

[8:01] Derek Shamrock: Bye :)

[8:01] Ico Telling: bye

[8:02] So Kuu: later!