MicaSim meeting 20090402

[2009/04/02 6:57] Eamu Godenot: Hi, Rob. [2009/04/02 6:57] Prospero Frobozz: Hey. How goes? [2009/04/02 6:57] Eamu Godenot: Good. [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: Had a bit of a numerical breakthrough last night. [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: You're still a grad student, yes? [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: Yep. [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: Ah, good. [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: Graduating in the fall. [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: 1 + 1 *does* equal 2 after all? [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: /cross-fingers [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: heh [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: Do you know what you're going to do next yet? [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, I was confused for a while between Sqrt(2) and 3. [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: I've got a postdoc lined up at Northwestern. [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: With Vicky Kalogera. [2009/04/02 6:58] Prospero Frobozz: Cool. What sort of stuff will you be doing? [2009/04/02 6:58] Eamu Godenot: Big change: white dwarf tides. [2009/04/02 6:59] Prospero Frobozz: Wow... still numerical stuff, I'm guessing? [2009/04/02 6:59] Eamu Godenot: (Eventually calculating effects on LISA signals. [2009/04/02 6:59]  Prospero Frobozz: Woah. [2009/04/02 6:59]  Pema Pera is Online [2009/04/02 6:59]  Eamu Godenot: Eventually, but I think the goal is to get as far as possible without the numerics. [2009/04/02 6:59]  Prospero Frobozz: LISA will be able to see white dwarf tides? [2009/04/02 6:59]  Eamu Godenot: Well, tides cause all sorts of precession effects. [2009/04/02 6:59]  Eamu Godenot: In i tight binary, the precession can be ~2pi over a five year observation. [2009/04/02 7:00]  Prospero Frobozz: Is this something that might be looked for statistically with (say) optical spectroscopy of spectroscopic binaries? [2009/04/02 7:00]  Eamu Godenot: So, following the orbit phase from LISA would show up these effects. [2009/04/02 7:00]  Eamu Godenot: Umm. [2009/04/02 7:00]  Eamu Godenot: Maybe. [2009/04/02 7:00]  Prospero Frobozz: I'm so used to "we need two supermassive black holes to collide inside our own galaxy" limits on gravitational waves from LIGO that I'm surprised when non-extreme things are supposed to be detectable by LISA. [2009/04/02 7:00] MICA seminar seat whispers: Hi Pema Pera! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust. [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: Yeah. [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: If it ever flies, LISA will see thousands of white dwarfs in our galaxy. [2009/04/02 7:01] Prospero Frobozz: What is LISAs predicted fate right now? I know that a few years ago -- *before* the current ecnomic woes -- there were four space missions up, and there was a review committee to try t whittle them down to 1.... [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: (Most in stellar clusters, since that's where you get the most binaries.) [2009/04/02 7:01] Prospero Frobozz: I forget exactly what the review committee's recommendations were. [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, that 1 = JDEM. [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: LISA was #2. [2009/04/02 7:01] Eamu Godenot: Which means that they are funding (slowly) three technology proving missions for it. [2009/04/02 7:01] Prospero Frobozz: OK, that's what I thought... except that wasn't JDEM also enough cheaper than the rest that there was hope for a "JDEM plus something else"? [2009/04/02 7:02] Eamu Godenot: Umm. [2009/04/02 7:02] Prospero Frobozz: I had this vague memory of that. [2009/04/02 7:02] Eamu Godenot: Well, the report recommended that LISA = something eles, but not really because JDEM was cheap. [2009/04/02 7:02] Eamu Godenot: So, LISA has funding, but isn't likely to actually be built any time soon. [2009/04/02 7:02] Prospero Frobozz: Sigh. [2009/04/02 7:02] Pema Pera: yeah, the technology uncertainty of LISA was one extra handicap [2009/04/02 7:02] Eamu Godenot: Exactly. [2009/04/02 7:02] Prospero Frobozz: Yeah, OK. [2009/04/02 7:02] Prospero Frobozz: It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next several years. [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: This year, the simulus package is putting some money into scientific research. [2009/04/02 7:03] Eamu Godenot: So, assuming that these technology proving missions go well, LISA would get the green light as the thing after JDEM. [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: BUT [2009/04/02 7:03] Pema Pera: so actually it may not be that bad to have a bit of delay and get things right [2009/04/02 7:03] Eamu Godenot: Yeah. [2009/04/02 7:03] Pema Pera: rather than failing in flight [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: I've read a number of economists who've predicted that we're just at the beginning of a bad depression. [2009/04/02 7:03] Pema Pera: that would set things back by ten years at least [2009/04/02 7:03] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, nobody wants to launch some expensive paperweights that can't formation-fly. [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: IF three or four years from now, we're worse off than we are this year, it'll be a long time before we really fund any not-small space mission again. [2009/04/02 7:03] Pema Pera: ah, so we need more economy stimulus packages, like LISA building ! [2009/04/02 7:03] Eamu Godenot: Probably, Pros. [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: Is LISA Earth orbit, or Sun orbit (a la spitzer) [2009/04/02 7:03] Prospero Frobozz: damn [2009/04/02 7:03] Eamu Godenot: Though the administration seems committed to science funding as a stimulus. [2009/04/02 7:04] Eamu Godenot: Sun, I think. [2009/04/02 7:04] Prospero Frobozz: I just hit a key combination that turned on a diagnostic in SL, and I'm not sure what I hit [2009/04/02 7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Now I have to turn it off [2009/04/02 7:04] Pema Pera: seriously, the space industry needs stimulation [2009/04/02 7:04] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, Pema. [2009/04/02 7:04] Pema Pera: so you never know whether hard times are bad or good [2009/04/02 7:04] Eamu Godenot: My understanding is that they always suffer from morale issues. [2009/04/02 7:04] Eamu Godenot: Too many projects cancelled just before completion, etc. [2009/04/02 7:04]  Prospero Frobozz: Ugh [2009/04/02 7:04] Prospero Frobozz: Yeah [2009/04/02 7:04] Pema Pera: in Japan there has been an economic depressing of 20 years, yet science has florished, because of economic stimulation [2009/04/02 7:04] Prospero Frobozz: I wouldn't want to work on a long-term mission like that for exactly that reason [2009/04/02 7:04] Eamu Godenot: Exactly. [2009/04/02 7:05] Prospero Frobozz: The "cancel before launch" type thing [2009/04/02 7:05] Pema Pera: yes, that happens only in teh USA [2009/04/02 7:05] Pema Pera: like the supercollider [2009/04/02 7:05] Eamu Godenot: Yeah., I think that's one of the thinsg the "smaller, quicker, cheaper" thing was supposed to address. [2009/04/02 7:05] Pema Pera: by the way, shall we use voice for a bit? [2009/04/02 7:05] Eamu Godenot: If you get it done quick, it's less likely to be cancelled (cancellation is probably a Poisson process). [2009/04/02 7:05] Pema Pera: until we get down to N-body stuff :) [2009/04/02 7:12]  MICA seminar seat whispers: Hi Makino Magic! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust. [2009/04/02 7:12]  Pema Pera: hi Jun, we are using voice [2009/04/02 7:14]  Pema Pera: can you hear us Jun? [2009/04/02 7:16]  Pema Pera: hi Sidona [2009/04/02 7:16]  Eamu Godenot: Well, I'd be happy to post the logs for today. [2009/04/02 7:16]  Eamu Godenot: It shouldn't be too hard, right? [2009/04/02 7:16]  Sidona Donogal: hi everyone [2009/04/02 7:16]  Pema Pera: we are using voice [2009/04/02 7:16]  Pema Pera: but will switch to text [2009/04/02 7:16]  Pema Pera: in just a minute [2009/04/02 7:17]  Eamu Godenot: Yes, let's text. [2009/04/02 7:17]  Eamu Godenot: Adios. [2009/04/02 7:17]  Prospero Frobozz: I'm all upset that every month doesn't have the same number of days [2009/04/02 7:17]  Pema Pera: you probably heard the Manhattan sirens too :) [2009/04/02 7:17] Eamu Godenot: Yes, I thought there was a fire on the island. [2009/04/02 7:17] Eamu Godenot: :) [2009/04/02 7:17]  Prospero Frobozz: We need to adjust the Earth's orbit so that the number of days in a year is evenly divisible by 12 [2009/04/02 7:17]  MICA seminar seat whispers: Hi Sidona Donogal! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust. [2009/04/02 7:17]  Pema Pera: flattening the Earth would take care of that too, Pros [2009/04/02 7:18]  Prospero Frobozz: True [2009/04/02 7:18]  Prospero Frobozz: March 26 [2009/04/02 7:18]  Prospero Frobozz: was last week [2009/04/02 7:18]  Eamu Godenot: Pema and Jun, I have a question about ACS. [2009/04/02 7:18]  Pema Pera: yes? [2009/04/02 7:18]  Eamu Godenot: Are you still planning to finish some of the chapters? [2009/04/02 7:18]  Eamu Godenot: Or is it pretty static as-is? [2009/04/02 7:18]  Pema Pera: not clear [2009/04/02 7:19]  Pema Pera: in three weeks I will be visiting Jun [2009/04/02 7:19]  Pema Pera: and then we'll try to plot more [2009/04/02 7:19] Prospero Frobozz: When you say ACS, that's more than Moving Stars Around, yes? [2009/04/02 7:19] Pema Pera: oh yes! [2009/04/02 7:19] Eamu Godenot: Because a possible side/smaller project for this forum would be to add to the current code and text. [2009/04/02 7:19] Prospero Frobozz: I know you want at least MSA to move into the micasim wiki [2009/04/02 7:19] Pema Pera: more than a thousand pages of research stuff, Pros [2009/04/02 7:19] Prospero Frobozz: Perhaps move it then do further work there? [2009/04/02 7:19] Prospero Frobozz: Heh [2009/04/02 7:19] Prospero Frobozz: OK [2009/04/02 7:19]  Prospero Frobozz: Most of ACS won't be moving into the micasim wiki,w ill it?' [2009/04/02 7:19] Pema Pera: MSA is just the educational cream on the cake [2009/04/02 7:19] Pema Pera: no [2009/04/02 7:20]  Pema Pera: unless someone is super energetic and has time [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: it could, for sure [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: but let's start with MSA [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: what we need is either a graduate student or a serious amateur with time and interest [2009/04/02 7:20] Eamu Godenot: Yeah. [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: even one such person could revamp the whole project [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: then Jun and I could be consultatnt [2009/04/02 7:20] Pema Pera: consultants [2009/04/02 7:21] Eamu Godenot: Pema, can you supervise grad students at IAS? [2009/04/02 7:21] Eamu Godenot: Like through Princeton, or something? [2009/04/02 7:21] Pema Pera: boy, oh boy, if I would have been given such an opportunity in my early graduate student days, I would have run with it !!! [2009/04/02 7:21] Pema Pera: in principle I could, yes, Eamu [2009/04/02 7:21] Eamu Godenot: Or, does Princeton have a summer undergrad research project program? [2009/04/02 7:21] Pema Pera: and not only in Princeton [2009/04/02 7:21] Makino Magic: But grad students should write papers, not textbooks... [2009/04/02 7:21] Pema Pera: but anywhere in the world, through SL of course [2009/04/02 7:21] Eamu Godenot: Because a motivated undergrad working for the summer could probably do a lot to extend ACS. [2009/04/02 7:21] Pema Pera: yes, but they could combine working with ACS and doing research [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: writing a new code and working with it [2009/04/02 7:22]  Pema Pera: yes, Eamu [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: exactly [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: we *could* organize summer schools for undergrads [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: in MICA [2009/04/02 7:22] Eamu Godenot: Well, I don't mean something as serious as a summer school, even. [2009/04/02 7:22] Eamu Godenot: (Though that would be good, too.) [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: even highly motivated high school students could join [2009/04/02 7:22] Pema Pera: I do :-) [2009/04/02 7:22]  Pema Pera: I think we can do that [2009/04/02 7:23]  Eamu Godenot: I just mean hiring one SURF (Summer Undergrad Research Fellowship) student, for example, to improve/extend the code. [2009/04/02 7:23]  Pema Pera: MICA SL summer schools [2009/04/02 7:23]  Pema Pera: yeah, but if you get ten SMURFS [2009/04/02 7:23]  Pema Pera: and teach them together [2009/04/02 7:23]  Pema Pera: it saves a lot of time over explaining it to one [2009/04/02 7:23]  Eamu Godenot: True. [2009/04/02 7:24]  Pema Pera: Pros, what do you think? [2009/04/02 7:24]  Prospero Frobozz: Sorry, was digging up last weeks chat log, ahven't been paying full attention [2009/04/02 7:24]  Pema Pera: question is how to prepare and announce [2009/04/02 7:24]  Prospero Frobozz: So, my experience with summer students is that it's very hard to know exactly what each one is capable of ahead of time... and if you don't tune it right, they waste the summer [2009/04/02 7:25] Pema Pera: Jun and I have had very good experiences with ACS summer schools in 2004 and 2005 [2009/04/02 7:25] Prospero Frobozz: There must be a "wisdom of crowds" way to solve it-- hire 10 students, set them all loose on a project and allow them to choose themselves where they fall... [2009/04/02 7:25] Prospero Frobozz: OK [2009/04/02 7:25]  Pema Pera: so if we get 10 such people, there are generally a couple really good ones -- exactly [2009/04/02 7:25] Pema Pera: yes [2009/04/02 7:25] Eamu Godenot: THat's a good point, Pema. [2009/04/02 7:25] Pema Pera: shall we do that? [2009/04/02 7:25] Prospero Frobozz: But, what I'm thinking is, some students might be best for the kind of thing Will is talking about, whereas others might do more extending research [2009/04/02 7:25] Pema Pera: yes, that too [2009/04/02 7:25] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, I had in mind undergrads over the summer specifically because the pressure is not on to do research. [2009/04/02 7:26] Pema Pera: survival of the fittest, who are fit for different things -- speciation :-) [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: yes, good point [2009/04/02 7:26]  Eamu Godenot: You can say "I helped develop this tool and online 'textbook'" on your gradschool apps. [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: and MSA is self-contained [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: ideal for undergrads [2009/04/02 7:26]  Eamu Godenot: And people think it's cool. [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: yes. [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: yes [2009/04/02 7:26]  Eamu Godenot: On your postdoc apps, maybe not so much. [2009/04/02 7:26]  Pema Pera: okay, let's do it! [2009/04/02 7:27]  Pema Pera: so where to start? [2009/04/02 7:27]  Pema Pera: one question is duration [2009/04/02 7:27]  Eamu Godenot: Another is format. [2009/04/02 7:27]  Pema Pera: a whole summer? too diffuse [2009/04/02 7:27]  Pema Pera: a target week at the beginning of the summer? [2009/04/02 7:27] Pema Pera: then lower level hand holding on demand [2009/04/02 7:27] Eamu Godenot: (i.e. in-world only, meet somewhere in RL, lectures, discussions, presentations?) [2009/04/02 7:27] Pema Pera: and another target week at the end of the summer? [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: in-world only! [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: no way we can do the RL work [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: the whole point is to leverage MICA here [2009/04/02 7:28] Eamu Godenot: Yeah. [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: so which target weeks? [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: late May? [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: earlier is too short notice, later doesn't leave too much time in the summer [2009/04/02 7:28] Pema Pera: okay? [2009/04/02 7:29] Pema Pera: the week of the 18th or the 25th? [2009/04/02 7:29] Prospero Frobozz: Are there students already lined u? [2009/04/02 7:29]  Pema Pera: no, rain follows the plough :-) [2009/04/02 7:29]  Eamu Godenot: I may be gone the week of the 18th. [2009/04/02 7:29]  Pema Pera: but in order to line them up we need dates [2009/04/02 7:30]  Prospero Frobozz: OK -- my *guess* is that this year it's too late to get summer students, as they've all already applied for REUs and the like. [2009/04/02 7:30]  Pema Pera: definitely the four of us should be there during that week [2009/04/02 7:30]  Prospero Frobozz: Some colleges have graduation coming in just a few weeks. [2009/04/02 7:30]  Pema Pera: we can start with volunteers [2009/04/02 7:30]  Prospero Frobozz: Unless you have a source I'm not aware of... [2009/04/02 7:30]  Pema Pera: I don't want to wait a whole year [2009/04/02 7:30]  Pema Pera: so we don't pay them [2009/04/02 7:30]  Prospero Frobozz: Ah, OK. [2009/04/02 7:30] Pema Pera: just announce that they get free access to some of the best minds in stellar dynamics :-) [2009/04/02 7:30]  Pema Pera: again, if I had that opportunity as an undergrad, wow . . . . [2009/04/02 7:30]  Prospero Frobozz: How do we get the word out to the right students? I'm guessing that most of the ones we'd be most interested in probably came up with summer plans that do involve themb eing paid.... [2009/04/02 7:31]  Prospero Frobozz: But, it's worth trying to see. [2009/04/02 7:31]  Pema Pera: they may be able to do it at the side [2009/04/02 7:31]  Eamu Godenot: Yeah, I would have enjoyed that as an undergrad, too. [2009/04/02 7:31]  Pema Pera: if no one shows up, we're off the hook [2009/04/02 7:31]  Pema Pera: so we don't loose anything [2009/04/02 7:31]  Pema Pera: since there is no travel involved for us! [2009/04/02 7:31]  Pema Pera: why not try? [2009/04/02 7:31]  Prospero Frobozz: Sure [2009/04/02 7:32] Prospero Frobozz: We do lose at least a little time putting it together of course :) [2009/04/02 7:32]  Eamu Godenot: Usually in teh coming months, there are a few people poking around for summer work here at MIT. [2009/04/02 7:32]  Eamu Godenot: *month. [2009/04/02 7:32]  Pema Pera: so the week of the 18th or 25th? [2009/04/02 7:32]  Prospero Frobozz: http://www.micasim.org/index.php?title=MicaSim_meeting_20090326 [2009/04/02 7:32]  Eamu Godenot: I think the 25th. [2009/04/02 7:32]  Pema Pera: thanks, Pros! [2009/04/02 7:32]  Prospero Frobozz: Is that memorial day? [2009/04/02 7:32]  Pema Pera: Or the week of the 11th [2009/04/02 7:32]  Eamu Godenot: 11th of May? [2009/04/02 7:32]  Pema Pera: for me 11th is better [2009/04/02 7:32]  Prospero Frobozz: May 25 is Memorial day [2009/04/02 7:33]  Prospero Frobozz: Will, when does MIT finish finals and graduate? [2009/04/02 7:33]  Eamu Godenot: I think about the start of June. [2009/04/02 7:33] Prospero Frobozz: Ah, very late compared to some. [2009/04/02 7:33] Eamu Godenot: I can't remember the last day of classes, but it's something like the week of May 25. [2009/04/02 7:33] Eamu Godenot: Yeah, MIT is kinda late. [2009/04/02 7:33] Pema Pera: May 11 may be best [2009/04/02 7:33] Pema Pera: if we do our meetings by chat [2009/04/02 7:33] Pema Pera: there will be a trace [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: and later comers can read all that we discussed [2009/04/02 7:34] Eamu Godenot: So, the idea is we teach them intensively for a week (with little psets and whatnot on the ACS code) May 11. [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: apart from no real time input ability they will get all the info! [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: yes [2009/04/02 7:34] Eamu Godenot: Then they spend the summer tinkering, with our help. [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: One week teaching, yes, exactly! [2009/04/02 7:34] Eamu Godenot: Then at the end we spend a week discussing the output? [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: we spend a week planting a seed [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: then we water during the summer [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: and we harvest in August [2009/04/02 7:34] Pema Pera: if any :-) [2009/04/02 7:34]  Eamu Godenot: And what does a week of "intensive" instruction look like? [2009/04/02 7:35]  Makino Magic: I think I ccannot do much i May. It is still mid of the smmer term in Japan... [2009/04/02 7:35]  Eamu Godenot: (I may not be able to commit an entire week to being in-world teaching.) [2009/04/02 7:35]  Prospero Frobozz: Realistically, we're going to have to be available to give them feedback every week or so-- students will get stuck, go into cul-de-sacs, that kind of thing. [2009/04/02 7:35]  Pema Pera: a couple hours a day on-line [2009/04/02 7:35]  Eamu Godenot: At least every week. [2009/04/02 7:35]  Eamu Godenot: (With the feedback.) [2009/04/02 7:35]  Pema Pera: with the rest them working together doing homework [2009/04/02 7:35]  Eamu Godenot: A could spend a couple of hours a day on-line working for a week. [2009/04/02 7:35]  Prospero Frobozz: AT some level, we might not want to provide feedback more than once a week. [2009/04/02 7:35] Pema Pera: say one hour in the morning and one hour in the evening [2009/04/02 7:35] Eamu Godenot: With some TA sessions in-between? [2009/04/02 7:35] Pema Pera: ah [2009/04/02 7:35]  Prospero Frobozz: Some students need more than that, but we might want to deliberately decide to filter for the most self-sufficient. [2009/04/02 7:36] Pema Pera: okay may I propose a specific schedule? [2009/04/02 7:36] Eamu Godenot: Go. [2009/04/02 7:36] Pema Pera: give me two minutes, to type out then I will write here, hold on [2009/04/02 7:40]  Pema Pera: Okay, here goes: [2009/04/02 7:40] Pema Pera: May 11-15: five intensive days: on the first day, students are paired up: each pair of two working together each morning one-hour plenary session, lecture style, about ACS/MSA each afternoon a two-hour interval in which indivual pairs can ask questions

May 16 - September 6: once-a-week contacts each Monday, say, same as above: one hour plenary session two hours opportunities for one-on-one coaching

September 7-11: five intensive days, to wrap up schedule as above [2009/04/02 7:41] Pema Pera: (9/7 may be whatever-day (Labor??)) [2009/04/02 7:41] Pema Pera: I'm willing to commit to that schedule [2009/04/02 7:41] Prospero Frobozz: Yes, Sep 7 is labor day [2009/04/02 7:41] Pema Pera: as long as each time there will be at least one of your three to help me [2009/04/02 7:41]  Pema Pera: so that we have at least two senior people [2009/04/02 7:41] Pooky Amsterdam is Offline [2009/04/02 7:41] Pema Pera: we can do it [2009/04/02 7:41]  Eamu Godenot: I'm happy with the schedule except possibly early in September. [2009/04/02 7:42] Eamu Godenot: (I may be moving to Nothwestern then.) [2009/04/02 7:42] Pema Pera: so to be concrete: [2009/04/02 7:42] Pema Pera: I will commit to full-time [2009/04/02 7:42] Pema Pera: if you three can commit to something like half-time, we're in business [2009/04/02 7:42] Eamu Godenot: I can commit to half-time. [2009/04/02 7:42] Prospero Frobozz: I fear I can only commit to catch-as-catch-can -- I have a full time job that doesn't include astronomy, alas. [2009/04/02 7:42] Pema Pera: well, how about Eamu half time and Pros and Jun quarter-time [2009/04/02 7:43] Makino Magic: What time of the day the sessions will open? [2009/04/02 7:43] Pema Pera: together we have two full-time equivalent [2009/04/02 7:43] Pema Pera: and we may get others to help, like Simon and Steve and Enrico etc [2009/04/02 7:43] Pema Pera: Jun, we can decide that later [2009/04/02 7:43] Pema Pera: problems with time zones [2009/04/02 7:43] Makino Magic: Ya [2009/04/02 7:43]  Eamu Godenot: So, because I think Pema has to leave, and I do too, next week: advertising? [2009/04/02 7:43] Pema Pera: well, I have to run now, yes [2009/04/02 7:44] Eamu Godenot: i.e. how are we going to get people to come. [2009/04/02 7:44] Pema Pera: let's sleep on it [2009/04/02 7:44]  Eamu Godenot: I like that. [2009/04/02 7:44] Pema Pera: and let's discuss this on the micasimulations email group [2009/04/02 7:44] Pema Pera: I'll send out an email summarizing [2009/04/02 7:44] Eamu Godenot: Great. [2009/04/02 7:44] Pema Pera: then we have a week to negotiate [2009/04/02 7:44] Makino Magic: Okay [2009/04/02 7:44] Pema Pera: and next week we finalize, right? [2009/04/02 7:44] Eamu Godenot: Works for me. [2009/04/02 7:44] Makino Magic: Ya [2009/04/02 7:44]  Pema Pera: So then at the end of next week we'll send out the announcements [2009/04/02 7:45] Pema Pera: and all the young versions of Rob, Jun, Will and Piet will come out of the woodworks, delighted at the opportunity :-) [2009/04/02 7:45]  Eamu Godenot: Sure hope so. [2009/04/02 7:45]  Pema Pera: okay, we got a plan [2009/04/02 7:45]  Pema Pera: see you all soon again! [2009/04/02 7:45]  Eamu Godenot: adios. [2009/04/02 7:45]  Pema Pera: bye for now [2009/04/02 7:45]  Sidona Donogal: bye Pema [2009/04/02 7:45]  Makino Magic: Bye [2009/04/02 7:45]  Pema Pera is Offline [2009/04/02 7:45]  Eamu Godenot: I have to run, also. [2009/04/02 7:46]  Eamu Godenot: See you all later. [2009/04/02 7:46]  Sidona Donogal: well, I walk off ... :)) [2009/04/02 7:46]  Eamu Godenot: (Text from chat log is going up on the wiki momentarily.) [2009/04/02 7:46]  Prospero Frobozz: Cool [2009/04/02 7:46]  Sidona Donogal: good luck you all [2009/04/02 7:46]  Prospero Frobozz: I put last week's up, and Para put up two weeks ago. [2009/04/02 7:46] Eamu Godenot: Perfect. [2009/04/02 7:46] Prospero Frobozz: As long as it's indexed from the smage page, we're all good [2009/04/02 7:46] Prospero Frobozz: same page